Steven Mosher Interview on China

Steven Mosher Interview on China, by Jan Jekielek.

Stephen Mosher: So when the people of Hong Kong say that they have different values than the values that are espoused by the Chinese Communist Party, what they mean is, one of the things they mean is that they believe that human life is valuable, that every human being is unique and a blessing for the rest of us.

The Chinese Communist Party doesn’t believe that. The Chinese Communist Party doesn’t think of human beings as individuals at all. It in fact refers to them as the masses.

And any way the masses can serve the Party, the masses should serve the Party, including providing, say, hearts and livers and lungs and kidneys for senior Communist Party officials who may need a heart or a liver or lung or kidney.

So I think the original idea behind organ transplants in China was the idea that … senior Communist Party leaders who have absolute command over all the resources in China, including all the human beings, wanted to seek a kind of immortality by organ transplant.

Senior Party officials were receiving blood transfusions back in the 1960s from young people, which actually does have a life-lengthening effect. And then they moved into transplants in the 1980s, and I think it was originally senior Party officials who were the beneficiaries of the transplants. The prisoners who were executed were those who were at that time being given this horrible sentence of immediate execution with a two-year suspended sentence. And that meant that they were on the chopping block at any given time. And when their tissue was a match to the tissue of a Party leader who was in need of an organ, they would be executed by a single bullet to the back of their head. And … their body would be transported to a medical van and their heart or liver would be extracted immediately.

So it was originally very limited in my view, but then the Communist Party realized that it could make money by selling organs overseas to wealthy — not just Chinese — but wealthy transplant tourists from all over the world. And once that became evident, I think they got into the organ transplant business in a big way. …

The Party authorities realized that foreigners were willing to pay $150,000 for a heart, $180,000 for a liver. The price varies. And so they began developing transplant centers throughout the country. I think the People’s Liberation Army were the leaders in this regard because first of all, they had a ready source of prisoners through the police state that they help to run, and they had army hospitals in existence.

So as the traffic ramped up, and more and more transplant tourists began to come to China, the advantage of coming to China was not just the cost, which was lower than the cost of getting an organ overseas. The advantage was that you could get a transplant almost immediately.

In a civilized country, the way the process works is you have people who volunteer their organs. They sign an organ donor card, and if they happen to be killed and their organs are usable, their organs … will be used for someone who has maybe been on a waiting list for a liver or a kidney for years. Many people in the West, by the way, die on those waiting lists because no tissue match appears permitting a transplant.

In China, however, it doesn’t work that way. It works the reverse. When someone orders a heart — and I use the word “ordered” deliberately — or a liver or kidney, their tissue is typed and immediately a match is found in the database maintained in China of potential donors. These aren’t volunteer donors. These are people who are in the Chinese prison system already. Because what happens when you go on a Chinese prison?

Well, they just did this to the Uyghurs and the Kazakhs in Western Turkestan. They called everybody in for what they calla medical examination. What did the medical examination consist of? Well, they took fingerprints. They did a retinal scan. They took a blood sample. They checked to see if their organs were healthy. And that was it. It wasn’t a medical exam at all. It was an exam to see which one of these Uyghurs or Kazakhs might be a potential donor in the future for somebody who is willing to pay $150,000 for an organ. So I think they are now all at risk too — the 1 to 2 million Uyghurs and Kazakhs who are in concentration camps. …

And the profits of this business are huge. Remember, I mean, if you do 100,000 transplants a year, and you’re charging $100,000 per transplant, that’s $10 billion right there. And I believe the actual money is even greater. …

For example:

… the story out of Israel, where a gentleman who wanted a heart transplant went to his cardiologist and said, “I’m going to China for a heart transplant on July 15.”

And the cardiologist said, “How do you know there will be a heart available?” And the patient said, “Because they’ve already prearranged the heart.” The only way you can do that is by making sure in advance you have a tissue match with a living person. And then when the transplant tourist, with the money, is on his way, you kill that living person and take his heart. …

Wait, it’s even worse:

They keep the people alive while they harvest all of the organs. And in the old days, 20 years ago, you might be able to get a kidney, but then the rest of the organs would be useless because more than five minutes had elapsed, and five minutes without blood, the cells start dying. Or you could get a heart, but you couldn’t harvest the liver and the lungs.

Now, with this extracorporeal membrane oxidation — this heart lung machine — you can harvest all of the organs.

And the worst part of it is this: They can actually put a balloon catheter in the carotid arteries going to your brain and block the blood flow to your brain, while they keep the blood flowing to your organs. So they kill the brain at the same time that they keep blood flowing to the organs and can harvest them one by one. So they’re able to make not just $150,000 off a single killing. Now they can make $750,000 off a killing because they’re harvesting both kidneys, both lungs, the heart, the liver. …

Trump et al.:

So finally we have, I think, not just a plurality, but a majority of people in the United States from all sectors who realize that China is a threat not only to the world, not only to the United States, but to its own people principally. I mean the Chinese Communist Party again has killed hundreds of millions of its own people. And the sooner it is discarded into the dustbin of history, the better. And I hope that day comes soon for the Chinese people.

From an article by David Archibald on American Thinker.